The Second Phone Call
February 24th, 1997
Click HERE to read a transcript of the second fax.
Four days after the initial phone call to Art's radio show, he received yet another fax from Mel Waters. In this one, Mel recounted an confrontation he had on the property. He said that while he was out shopping, he decided to make a stop on his property and immediately noticed a number of military vehicles and equipment blocking the drive to the land. When he asked one of the guards stationed on the road, they told him that a plane had crashed on his property. He asked to speak with a supervisor, who also mentioned the plane crash. He was also told that if he had an issue with it, they could "find a drug lab" on the property, as well. Mel took this as a threat. He also mentioned a story told to him after the first phone call. The neighbor said that he had been driving up to the property to dumb some garbage and noticed a beam "blacker than black" shooting up out of the hole. After getting the fax, Art got back in touch with Mel for his second call to learn more about what had happened on the property.
After reading both faxes on the air, Art gets Mel on the line and states that when he called Mel earlier in the day he was "totally, totally freaked out." Mel agrees, but says that he is a lot calmer now. He brings up the fact that after the first call, on the Friday after it, he went up to the property and noticed some helicopters flying around the property. He also saw helicopters around the property the following day. He figures that "someone listens to your show" in regards to it being the government.
Art tells Mel that his "best protection" in this instance to be as open and public as he can be. Mel goes on to explain that on the day he went out to the property, access had been blocked by uniformed, armed Soldiers and vehicles. And that currently, access was restricted even further back from the property by concrete "Jersey" barriers, which are a standard military access restriction device used to impede the flow of traffic into and from an area.
Mel says that right away he noticed that there was no smoke, which you would expect to see if there was a plane crash, like the Soldiers were telling him had happened. He asked to speak to their Officer in Charge, who he would have guessed was another member of the military. Only, it was a man dressed in civilian clothes who approached him and told him that he wouldn't be able to go up to his property. The man stated that it might not even be Mel's property anymore, and brought up the possibility that they may find a drug lab.
That wouldn't have been an issue, but Mel admitted that there was in fact a lab of sorts on the property. He said that he works in the alternative health field, and had imported some plant life from Northern Nevada. The plants, which were used by Native Americans to treat various illnesses, were not of any narcotic nature. But Mel feared that those in charge of the property now could easily misconstrue his medicine lab for a drug lab, if they so desired. He worried that they could take the land based on that alone, and it seemed to Mel that the Officer was hinting towards that with his comments.
Earlier that morning, Mel had received a message from his Real Estate agent on his answering machine. The message was that someone was very interested in purchasing the property and that they would be willing to make a very generous offer. Mel was unsure about whether or not he would sell the land, but was curious about what the offer actually was.
While out on the land during the weekend, Mel was able to take some quick measurements of the hole and the line that was down inside of it. He used a fisherman's scale and tied it to the line, as well as the original one pound weight that he had attached previously. The weight of the line in the hole measured out to be about 17 to 18 pounds. He admits that if he drops anymore line down the hole, the weight of the line itself would cause it to snap at the top from the pressure put on itself. He was positive that he had 80,000 feet of line already down the hole.
When asked about how long he owned the property, Mel states that he's had it for about 4 years. And that the previous owner was there for 30 to 40 years. The property is without electricity, or other amenities, but does have a few buildings up. The buildings and the housing structures were damaged in the heavy snow, however.
Mel reiterates his previous story as it was told to him about the dead dog. He goes on to tell about how people have been throwing dead animals to include cows and sheep down the hole for years. A hunter's dog died, so he tossed the dog down the hole as a form a burial. The hunter was out hunting later on, and saw the dog with the same collar and same tags on it. They were convinced that the dog had come back to life. Because of this, Mel decided to change his will to say that when he dies, he wants his body to be thrown into the hole. But he may have lost his chance now, thanks to not having access to the property anymore.
Since he was unable to gain entry onto the land and because he heard about the black beam of light, he decided to go out and talk to some of his neighbors to find out more about the hole. He talked to one elderly man who lived in the area a long time who said that originally there was a series of stone columns around the site of the pit. After sketching out a picture of them on a napkin, Mel brought up a photo of Stonehenge on his Powerbook and showed the man. The man stated that they "looked exactly like that!" just without the pillars on top that the famous site has in England.
He was unable to get any photographs of the hole itself, naturally, because of the blockade to his property. He was even too afraid to take photos of the guards on the road, but was willing to get a drawing of what the hole looked like.
Mel mentioned a fax that Art talked about on his show about another mysterious hole in the Washington area. Art said that yes, in fact, he did receive another fax about a hole located in Colville, WA. Art would try to get to that fax later in the show. Mel brings up Project H.A.A.R.P, which is theorized to look at underground anomalies. Art then reads a fax sent in from another listener in regards to Mel's own hole. The listener states that Iron veins in Manastash mixed with the Electromagnetic properties of the Earth's core could create a time machine. This could explain the lack of echo and the depth of Mel's hole.
Having time on his hands, Mel went to the local university library to look up what he could on geology. He mentioned that the crust on average on Earth is about 20 miles thick. Underneath the crust, you have the moho discontinuity, which he explains P waves, or seismic waves, move faster through this part of the Earth due to chemical differences. Little is known about that area because of being unable to reach those levels.
Art says that he had all sorts of volunteers to go down into the hole, and that he had a lot of plans for it. But those plans were ruined now that "they" have control of it. Mel talks about how far away from the hole he was actually stopped at. The access road is a narrow area, and you'd have to go a mile and a half or more before you'd even see the land.
Art then asks about tossing down an entire refrigerator and the fact that Mel never heard a single thing from it as it went down. Mel expected to hear something from an item that massive, and even threw down exploding television picture tubes to no avail. It seems impossible, but the hole is 15,16,17 miles, so there is no way to even hear sound coming if it had hit the bottom. They wonder if you could hear the sound from those distances, even with it being a vacuum. Mel mentions that the deepest mine is only 2.3 miles deep into the Earth. Mel then wonders how long the Chunnel is overseas, and Art says that he was going to go in it but missed out.
Mel jokingly says that he thinks the next things going down the hole will be Federal Prisoners. He makes it clear that it's the Government that's interested in the hole, and his property. They will want to know everything they can about it, and it's properties. And he thinks they would send someone down it to see what it was down there.
As he touched on earlier, Art asks Mel how he would like to gather up a bunch of local citizens and march up to the property and challenge the Governments authority. Property rights are a big thing in that area, and Mel had this same conversation with the older man earlier in the day. But if they say that it's a plane crash, what more can Mel really do? There were no plane crash reports, even though it would have been major news in the area, as it has been in the past. Art then says that he should round up as much Media as he could and go up there, but Mel is again worried that he'll be arrested as a drug manufacturer because of what the man there said to him.
At this point in the call, Art takes some phone calls from his listeners. One caller again suggests that Mel bring out as much media members as he can, but Mel believes that he would get in trouble. He then talks about how you can't see the hole from the air because of the amount of snow. Art suggests that it could be experimental aircraft that crashed, which would explain the lack of news, but he doesn't believe that it happened on Mel's property. Mel says that he saw absolutely no smoke at all. Art thinks that the hole is worth at least a million dollars, and he could sell tickets.
There seemed to be temporary buildings and generator equipment set up already, just a day or so after the first phone call. Mel saw helicopters Friday night and Saturday. He was confused about the timeline, but thinks it may have been Sunday. Some neighbors saw them moving buildings and trucks onto the land on Sunday.
Originally, Mel first contacted Art just to get some ideas about the hole and admitted that he was pretty naive about the entire thing. Art then asks him to be completely honest as far as the lab he has out there and it's contents. Mel says that it is simply a medicinal plant lab, and nothing drug related.
After a break, Art took some more phone calls from his listeners who had questions or advice for Mel. They talk about the oddness of the black beam of light and dead dog stories. One caller asks Mel what he does for a living, to which Mel says that he's a retired person. And that he has no criminal background. That same caller says that Mel should round up the media and the local militia to go up and "call their bluff" in regards to the property. They wouldn't drag up a bunch of military trailers for a drug lab, which Art agrees with. Another caller wonders if Mel could charter a plane to do a "fly over" of his property, and Mel thinks it could be arranged but isn't sure if planes could even fly over that area. He thinks the hole itself has been covered over with snow, and whatever else the government was using to cover it from the air.
Mel's dogs and other dogs won't go anywhere near the hole, and they seem afraid of it. They both agree that dogs and animals can sense bad things and know when to avoid it.
Yet another caller, who hailed from the same general area in Washington, said that a Professor of his one morning talked about a great big hole that had no bottom back in 1989. Mel was genuinely surprised to hear this. The caller states that the area in which Mel's property is located is near the Yakima Training Center, which is a government facility. He thinks that it's something related to things going on at the military base, which explains their interest in it.
The hole had to have been there for 40 years or more, if Mel remembers correctly. The previous owner was there at least that long, and the hole itself was there before that even. He ventures to say that given the nature of it that it's been there for a very, very long time. And thinks that it's ancient.
Mel again talks about how much of a mental and physical wreck he was after his run-in with the military personnel the other day. It really shook him, and was unexpected. He thinks that he could possibly get some media to go out and see what's going on, but the military might just turn them away. The man in charge told Mel that nobody was going to believe him anyway, so go ahead and tell them anything he wants.
He thinks that they are working him from both sides, with both the threats and the offer to his Realtor. If given the chance to have a sit down with someone in charge, he says that he wants to get a relocation out of the country. He brings up Australia, as a place he'd like to move to.
Another caller mentions a story of a hole in Scandinavia, in which miners lowered a microphone into a deep hole and heard the screams of thousands of people in agony. The Associated Press originally ran the story, but it turns out that the story was untrue. Mel's hole could be something similar, in theory, due to the lack of echo and the dogs being afraid. They go over the lack of sound again, bringing up the larger items. Mel says that they just slide the big items over onto the stone wall and just shove it in. He says that they've dumped all sorts of things in the hole, including full sized cows. Art thinks the bottom of the hole will be disgusting if they ever find it due to all the things tossed down there.
After yet another break, Art brings up a few faxes of people who do not believe the story sent in. They say that his voice is wavering, that he's struggling to keep up with the lie, and that because Art is playing him along, he's having to keep up with making excuses as he goes. Mel takes those challenges head on, and says that he would have much rather not have brought up the hole in the first place. He sent in a fax, but it was Art who called him. Mel makes an analogy of the Empire State Building shooting and safety and how things change in a second. He would be happy to talk with his neighbors and see if they are interested in talking with Art about the hole.
A caller from Texas calls and asks how wide the hole is, to which Mel says 9 feet 9 inches. The caller suggest that he look a book called the "Hollow Earth" and that he should check it out because the Earth was never proven to be solid like they say. Another caller talks about the same theory, and brings up some Bible verses about how the Earth may be hollow. Mel says that he's not a religious person and doesn't think that there is any religious aspect to the hole, but possibly a paranormal one because of the dead dog and the black beam.
He would like to get his local political leaders involved if he can, and thinks that they would be on his side because of their stance on property rights. Art says that he could get both the media and government power that Mel needs to help him out if he wants. Mel says that he has to sit down and decide what he wants to do with the hole. He owns the land, but isn't sure if the local Police or Sheriff could help him at all in terms of telling the Federal Government to get off the land. He has all kinds of things related to his plant work in his lab that they could easily make into a drug lab if they wanted.
After a caller says that she thinks Mel is simply just trying to gain some fame and is making the story up, he says that if he had a topic that he really wanted to talk about, he would have called talking about his medicinal plant work, since Art was in Nevada and the plant life came from there. One female caller asks if he considered talking to a physic, but Mel says that even if he takes the money and runs, he still wants to know what's down there. He's curious as to what the hole actually is, and believes that he'd be willing to accept what a physic had to say. Mel isn't worried that someone finds out who he is, and welcomes the media finding him and he would lead them to access road and let them do their thing.
One caller asks if Mel has ever seen any UFOs at or near his property. Mel said that he hasn't seen anything like that himself, personally. But plenty of listeners have said that it's a very "weird area" out there and that there area UFOs and holes all over the place. Yet another caller warns Mel that anything he does is going to just slow down the process, because those in charge of the hole now are listening to the program. He suggests that Mel try and find out as much as he can about radar and flights in the area, and see what he can find out in terms of the crash or in the area in general. Art believes that the plane crash story was a lie and that it was just a cover, and that the story about the drug lab was clearly a threat.
Mel says that he's just going to think about it and call the Realtor in the morning to find out who's making the offer. He says that the land isn't for sale. But wonders how they were able to make an offer in the first place. Art says that its possible to make an offer on anything, even if it's not for sale.
Art says that he feels guilty about soliciting Mel on the air in the first place, and offers help in terms of the media or government contacts. He says that he's got some thinking to do about it, and appreciates all the advice. He doesn't blame Art, and thinks that it could have happened at any time, regardless. The show runs out of time, and Art says his goodbye.
After reading both faxes on the air, Art gets Mel on the line and states that when he called Mel earlier in the day he was "totally, totally freaked out." Mel agrees, but says that he is a lot calmer now. He brings up the fact that after the first call, on the Friday after it, he went up to the property and noticed some helicopters flying around the property. He also saw helicopters around the property the following day. He figures that "someone listens to your show" in regards to it being the government.
Art tells Mel that his "best protection" in this instance to be as open and public as he can be. Mel goes on to explain that on the day he went out to the property, access had been blocked by uniformed, armed Soldiers and vehicles. And that currently, access was restricted even further back from the property by concrete "Jersey" barriers, which are a standard military access restriction device used to impede the flow of traffic into and from an area.
Mel says that right away he noticed that there was no smoke, which you would expect to see if there was a plane crash, like the Soldiers were telling him had happened. He asked to speak to their Officer in Charge, who he would have guessed was another member of the military. Only, it was a man dressed in civilian clothes who approached him and told him that he wouldn't be able to go up to his property. The man stated that it might not even be Mel's property anymore, and brought up the possibility that they may find a drug lab.
That wouldn't have been an issue, but Mel admitted that there was in fact a lab of sorts on the property. He said that he works in the alternative health field, and had imported some plant life from Northern Nevada. The plants, which were used by Native Americans to treat various illnesses, were not of any narcotic nature. But Mel feared that those in charge of the property now could easily misconstrue his medicine lab for a drug lab, if they so desired. He worried that they could take the land based on that alone, and it seemed to Mel that the Officer was hinting towards that with his comments.
Earlier that morning, Mel had received a message from his Real Estate agent on his answering machine. The message was that someone was very interested in purchasing the property and that they would be willing to make a very generous offer. Mel was unsure about whether or not he would sell the land, but was curious about what the offer actually was.
While out on the land during the weekend, Mel was able to take some quick measurements of the hole and the line that was down inside of it. He used a fisherman's scale and tied it to the line, as well as the original one pound weight that he had attached previously. The weight of the line in the hole measured out to be about 17 to 18 pounds. He admits that if he drops anymore line down the hole, the weight of the line itself would cause it to snap at the top from the pressure put on itself. He was positive that he had 80,000 feet of line already down the hole.
When asked about how long he owned the property, Mel states that he's had it for about 4 years. And that the previous owner was there for 30 to 40 years. The property is without electricity, or other amenities, but does have a few buildings up. The buildings and the housing structures were damaged in the heavy snow, however.
Mel reiterates his previous story as it was told to him about the dead dog. He goes on to tell about how people have been throwing dead animals to include cows and sheep down the hole for years. A hunter's dog died, so he tossed the dog down the hole as a form a burial. The hunter was out hunting later on, and saw the dog with the same collar and same tags on it. They were convinced that the dog had come back to life. Because of this, Mel decided to change his will to say that when he dies, he wants his body to be thrown into the hole. But he may have lost his chance now, thanks to not having access to the property anymore.
Since he was unable to gain entry onto the land and because he heard about the black beam of light, he decided to go out and talk to some of his neighbors to find out more about the hole. He talked to one elderly man who lived in the area a long time who said that originally there was a series of stone columns around the site of the pit. After sketching out a picture of them on a napkin, Mel brought up a photo of Stonehenge on his Powerbook and showed the man. The man stated that they "looked exactly like that!" just without the pillars on top that the famous site has in England.
He was unable to get any photographs of the hole itself, naturally, because of the blockade to his property. He was even too afraid to take photos of the guards on the road, but was willing to get a drawing of what the hole looked like.
Mel mentioned a fax that Art talked about on his show about another mysterious hole in the Washington area. Art said that yes, in fact, he did receive another fax about a hole located in Colville, WA. Art would try to get to that fax later in the show. Mel brings up Project H.A.A.R.P, which is theorized to look at underground anomalies. Art then reads a fax sent in from another listener in regards to Mel's own hole. The listener states that Iron veins in Manastash mixed with the Electromagnetic properties of the Earth's core could create a time machine. This could explain the lack of echo and the depth of Mel's hole.
Having time on his hands, Mel went to the local university library to look up what he could on geology. He mentioned that the crust on average on Earth is about 20 miles thick. Underneath the crust, you have the moho discontinuity, which he explains P waves, or seismic waves, move faster through this part of the Earth due to chemical differences. Little is known about that area because of being unable to reach those levels.
Art says that he had all sorts of volunteers to go down into the hole, and that he had a lot of plans for it. But those plans were ruined now that "they" have control of it. Mel talks about how far away from the hole he was actually stopped at. The access road is a narrow area, and you'd have to go a mile and a half or more before you'd even see the land.
Art then asks about tossing down an entire refrigerator and the fact that Mel never heard a single thing from it as it went down. Mel expected to hear something from an item that massive, and even threw down exploding television picture tubes to no avail. It seems impossible, but the hole is 15,16,17 miles, so there is no way to even hear sound coming if it had hit the bottom. They wonder if you could hear the sound from those distances, even with it being a vacuum. Mel mentions that the deepest mine is only 2.3 miles deep into the Earth. Mel then wonders how long the Chunnel is overseas, and Art says that he was going to go in it but missed out.
Mel jokingly says that he thinks the next things going down the hole will be Federal Prisoners. He makes it clear that it's the Government that's interested in the hole, and his property. They will want to know everything they can about it, and it's properties. And he thinks they would send someone down it to see what it was down there.
As he touched on earlier, Art asks Mel how he would like to gather up a bunch of local citizens and march up to the property and challenge the Governments authority. Property rights are a big thing in that area, and Mel had this same conversation with the older man earlier in the day. But if they say that it's a plane crash, what more can Mel really do? There were no plane crash reports, even though it would have been major news in the area, as it has been in the past. Art then says that he should round up as much Media as he could and go up there, but Mel is again worried that he'll be arrested as a drug manufacturer because of what the man there said to him.
At this point in the call, Art takes some phone calls from his listeners. One caller again suggests that Mel bring out as much media members as he can, but Mel believes that he would get in trouble. He then talks about how you can't see the hole from the air because of the amount of snow. Art suggests that it could be experimental aircraft that crashed, which would explain the lack of news, but he doesn't believe that it happened on Mel's property. Mel says that he saw absolutely no smoke at all. Art thinks that the hole is worth at least a million dollars, and he could sell tickets.
There seemed to be temporary buildings and generator equipment set up already, just a day or so after the first phone call. Mel saw helicopters Friday night and Saturday. He was confused about the timeline, but thinks it may have been Sunday. Some neighbors saw them moving buildings and trucks onto the land on Sunday.
Originally, Mel first contacted Art just to get some ideas about the hole and admitted that he was pretty naive about the entire thing. Art then asks him to be completely honest as far as the lab he has out there and it's contents. Mel says that it is simply a medicinal plant lab, and nothing drug related.
After a break, Art took some more phone calls from his listeners who had questions or advice for Mel. They talk about the oddness of the black beam of light and dead dog stories. One caller asks Mel what he does for a living, to which Mel says that he's a retired person. And that he has no criminal background. That same caller says that Mel should round up the media and the local militia to go up and "call their bluff" in regards to the property. They wouldn't drag up a bunch of military trailers for a drug lab, which Art agrees with. Another caller wonders if Mel could charter a plane to do a "fly over" of his property, and Mel thinks it could be arranged but isn't sure if planes could even fly over that area. He thinks the hole itself has been covered over with snow, and whatever else the government was using to cover it from the air.
Mel's dogs and other dogs won't go anywhere near the hole, and they seem afraid of it. They both agree that dogs and animals can sense bad things and know when to avoid it.
Yet another caller, who hailed from the same general area in Washington, said that a Professor of his one morning talked about a great big hole that had no bottom back in 1989. Mel was genuinely surprised to hear this. The caller states that the area in which Mel's property is located is near the Yakima Training Center, which is a government facility. He thinks that it's something related to things going on at the military base, which explains their interest in it.
The hole had to have been there for 40 years or more, if Mel remembers correctly. The previous owner was there at least that long, and the hole itself was there before that even. He ventures to say that given the nature of it that it's been there for a very, very long time. And thinks that it's ancient.
Mel again talks about how much of a mental and physical wreck he was after his run-in with the military personnel the other day. It really shook him, and was unexpected. He thinks that he could possibly get some media to go out and see what's going on, but the military might just turn them away. The man in charge told Mel that nobody was going to believe him anyway, so go ahead and tell them anything he wants.
He thinks that they are working him from both sides, with both the threats and the offer to his Realtor. If given the chance to have a sit down with someone in charge, he says that he wants to get a relocation out of the country. He brings up Australia, as a place he'd like to move to.
Another caller mentions a story of a hole in Scandinavia, in which miners lowered a microphone into a deep hole and heard the screams of thousands of people in agony. The Associated Press originally ran the story, but it turns out that the story was untrue. Mel's hole could be something similar, in theory, due to the lack of echo and the dogs being afraid. They go over the lack of sound again, bringing up the larger items. Mel says that they just slide the big items over onto the stone wall and just shove it in. He says that they've dumped all sorts of things in the hole, including full sized cows. Art thinks the bottom of the hole will be disgusting if they ever find it due to all the things tossed down there.
After yet another break, Art brings up a few faxes of people who do not believe the story sent in. They say that his voice is wavering, that he's struggling to keep up with the lie, and that because Art is playing him along, he's having to keep up with making excuses as he goes. Mel takes those challenges head on, and says that he would have much rather not have brought up the hole in the first place. He sent in a fax, but it was Art who called him. Mel makes an analogy of the Empire State Building shooting and safety and how things change in a second. He would be happy to talk with his neighbors and see if they are interested in talking with Art about the hole.
A caller from Texas calls and asks how wide the hole is, to which Mel says 9 feet 9 inches. The caller suggest that he look a book called the "Hollow Earth" and that he should check it out because the Earth was never proven to be solid like they say. Another caller talks about the same theory, and brings up some Bible verses about how the Earth may be hollow. Mel says that he's not a religious person and doesn't think that there is any religious aspect to the hole, but possibly a paranormal one because of the dead dog and the black beam.
He would like to get his local political leaders involved if he can, and thinks that they would be on his side because of their stance on property rights. Art says that he could get both the media and government power that Mel needs to help him out if he wants. Mel says that he has to sit down and decide what he wants to do with the hole. He owns the land, but isn't sure if the local Police or Sheriff could help him at all in terms of telling the Federal Government to get off the land. He has all kinds of things related to his plant work in his lab that they could easily make into a drug lab if they wanted.
After a caller says that she thinks Mel is simply just trying to gain some fame and is making the story up, he says that if he had a topic that he really wanted to talk about, he would have called talking about his medicinal plant work, since Art was in Nevada and the plant life came from there. One female caller asks if he considered talking to a physic, but Mel says that even if he takes the money and runs, he still wants to know what's down there. He's curious as to what the hole actually is, and believes that he'd be willing to accept what a physic had to say. Mel isn't worried that someone finds out who he is, and welcomes the media finding him and he would lead them to access road and let them do their thing.
One caller asks if Mel has ever seen any UFOs at or near his property. Mel said that he hasn't seen anything like that himself, personally. But plenty of listeners have said that it's a very "weird area" out there and that there area UFOs and holes all over the place. Yet another caller warns Mel that anything he does is going to just slow down the process, because those in charge of the hole now are listening to the program. He suggests that Mel try and find out as much as he can about radar and flights in the area, and see what he can find out in terms of the crash or in the area in general. Art believes that the plane crash story was a lie and that it was just a cover, and that the story about the drug lab was clearly a threat.
Mel says that he's just going to think about it and call the Realtor in the morning to find out who's making the offer. He says that the land isn't for sale. But wonders how they were able to make an offer in the first place. Art says that its possible to make an offer on anything, even if it's not for sale.
Art says that he feels guilty about soliciting Mel on the air in the first place, and offers help in terms of the media or government contacts. He says that he's got some thinking to do about it, and appreciates all the advice. He doesn't blame Art, and thinks that it could have happened at any time, regardless. The show runs out of time, and Art says his goodbye.
Facts & Notes from Call #2
-Mel visited the property the next day after the first call to take measurements.
-He noticed helicopters flying around and over the property on both Friday and Saturday.
-After shopping in town, he went to stop by the property, but noticed that there were military personnel and vehicles blocking the drive up to the land.
-An armed Soldier advised him that there was a plane crash on the property, but Mel didn't see any smoke.
-When he identified himself as the owner, a man in civilian clothes that was in charge told him that he would not be allowed onto the land. The man also threatened Mel by saying that they could find a drug lab if they wanted.
-The man also mentioned that Mel could go ahead and tell whoever he wants, because nobody would believe him.
-Mel admits to Art that he does have a lab on the property, but it's because he has an interest in a Native American plant that is used to heal colds in a non-traditional sense.
-Mel's Realtor had received a ":very generous offer" from someone for the property.
-A neighbor of Mel says that he saw a black beam coming from the hole one night.
-Mel talks with an older man who describes the hole as once having stone columns around it, similar to Stonehenge.
-Another hole in the Washington area is briefly mentioned, but never elaborated on.
-Art suggests that Mel use the power of the media to challenge the authority of those at the property.
-Large machinery and builders were moved onto the property during the weekend.
-Mel has never seen a UFO in the area, but the area is known for being a strange and mysterious place.
-Mel says that he has to think about what he's going to do next.
-He noticed helicopters flying around and over the property on both Friday and Saturday.
-After shopping in town, he went to stop by the property, but noticed that there were military personnel and vehicles blocking the drive up to the land.
-An armed Soldier advised him that there was a plane crash on the property, but Mel didn't see any smoke.
-When he identified himself as the owner, a man in civilian clothes that was in charge told him that he would not be allowed onto the land. The man also threatened Mel by saying that they could find a drug lab if they wanted.
-The man also mentioned that Mel could go ahead and tell whoever he wants, because nobody would believe him.
-Mel admits to Art that he does have a lab on the property, but it's because he has an interest in a Native American plant that is used to heal colds in a non-traditional sense.
-Mel's Realtor had received a ":very generous offer" from someone for the property.
-A neighbor of Mel says that he saw a black beam coming from the hole one night.
-Mel talks with an older man who describes the hole as once having stone columns around it, similar to Stonehenge.
-Another hole in the Washington area is briefly mentioned, but never elaborated on.
-Art suggests that Mel use the power of the media to challenge the authority of those at the property.
-Large machinery and builders were moved onto the property during the weekend.
-Mel has never seen a UFO in the area, but the area is known for being a strange and mysterious place.
-Mel says that he has to think about what he's going to do next.